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Sophia Magnanini 0:39
Hello, 88.1 WKNC, Raleigh, the song you guys just heard was house of mango by surf ninja three, I am Sophia magnoni, and you're listening to Oak city move. Today, we'll be speaking with delaina Epps Avery, the Associate Director for interpersonal violence services at NC State's Women's Center, as well as two representatives from InterAct, Shelby Kopec, who is a personal economic empowerment program, a case manager, and Taylor price, the sexual assault case manager at interact sola center. And so I'm really glad, glad that, like, I'm getting the chance to meet all of you. Let's just, like, get right into it. Let's start with introductions. Delaina, if you want to start first, can you tell us a bit about yourself and the role you play your organization.
Delana Epps-Avery 1:21
Yes. Hi. My name is Delana Avery, and I serve as the Associate Director of interpersonal violence services at NC State Women's Center. In my role, I lead our survivor advocacy and response efforts. I coordinate campus wide prevention programming, and I oversee a team, oversee a team of staff, interns and student leaders committed to addressing and preventing gender based violence. I bring over 30 years of experience in IP the advocacy, including 16 years of leadership at interact prior to coming to the university. So I started at the University in November of 2023 and going into my second year here and enjoying the work that's great.
Sophia Magnanini 2:00
Shelby Taylor, if one of you guys want to start next, sure, sure. Well,
Taylor Price 2:05
you have an interact cohort here today, I will say, so we're in good company. But yes, my name is Taylor price, sexual assault case manager, interactive wake and I work a lot out of our sola center. So what that looks like is me supporting survivors. Well, I'll take that back myself and an army of volunteers that we have trained supporting survivors of sexual violence in the community. We do that through case management services, through crisis management services, as well as providing free forensic examinations for anyone who has experienced sexual violence in Wake County,
Sophia Magnanini 2:44
that's awesome. And Shelby,
Shelby Klapec 2:48
I am Shelby clay pack peeps case manager on the personal economic empowerment program. We refer to it as peeps. So my role primarily is working with domestic violence survivors doing case management, helping them find employment, find housing, all the different needs that they may have.
Sophia Magnanini 3:11
That's awesome. And this is kind of a question for all of you guys, what initially drew you to this work and what has kept you passionate about
Delana Epps-Avery 3:21
it? So I came to this work as a survivor, and it's been deeply personal for me to do this work. Early on, I saw gaps in the support and the harm calls when survivors aren't believed or when they aren't correctly resourced. Over time, my commission, my passion has grown through relationships that I've built, with survivors, with students, with my colleagues who've trusted me with their stories and reminded me of the power of showing up with compassion and consistency. What keeps me here is the transformation that I witness every single day. It's moments when I watch students and women and children reclaim their power, when someone finds safety, or when someone feels hurt for the very first time, it brings me back to this work again and again, because I see the impact that we're making, but also I see the safety that we provide for people when they need a safe place to be.
Shelby Klapec 4:12
I always say that I got into this field by chance and fell in love when I was in college. I got an internship, and so I've been doing that ever since. It's been quite a while now, and I have just, I just enjoy working with the clients I love, the one on one connection and being able to see their process through.
Taylor Price 4:34
And I personally came to this work as a survivor as well. I began that journey as a young adult, and didn't really know that this work existed until I came to college, so I was kind of dealing with being a survivor, feeling all of those aftermath effects, and then coming to college, I became a peer educator and realized that this was really me. One, very needed, and two, something I would have been very thankful to have, in terms of, like having an advocate being educated about consent. And just really, really, I found my passion here, and have continued to grow. I've been really lucky to work for different nonprofits, different legal entities, so I've been really thankful to have different perspectives of the work throughout my career.
Sophia Magnanini 5:27
That's amazing. Yeah, coming in as a survivor, and you're getting this help, and then turning around, and now you're being able to help people just like you, which that's just, that's awesome. But over the years, have you guys since you're all are a part of interact right now and the student center as well, or the Women's Center? Have you guys seen like a change in the recent years, or like a growth that has been going through this organization?
Taylor Price 5:53
I would say throughout my time working in this field, it has been growing the Me too. Movement obviously, really allowed folks to have a voice in a way that they didn't have before, and that, to me, is where I saw the big catalyst. Obviously, that's also kind of the time I began entering the work. So I think that that might be perspective as well. But I would say that I've seen a lot of growth in communities, and just like the greater society of understanding, maybe what survivors experience and survivors themselves just having a stronger voice.
Delana Epps-Avery 6:29
Yes, I would agree with Taylor that because I have done this work for almost 30 years, I'm dating myself, but and so I have seen tremendous growth in the field. What saddens me still is that we're still doing this work every day, and that is still we're putting in 100% every day to prevent sexual violence, and so that's what saddens me about the work. But I have seen the work change in so many ways over the years, and the support for survivors change in so many ways. To Taylor's credit, talking about what happens in the community, that the community has really started to come together to try to prevent sexual violence, but the sadness still remains for me that we are still doing this work every day. Yeah,
Shelby Klapec 7:15
I would also say I've seen lots of growth in many areas, but particularly just providing the services to anyone, making people more aware that, you know, it's not just a women's problem, and it's not just a certain age group or certain bracket of people, that it's definitely a lot more inclusive even, you know, in the laws and legal documents and stuff, it's become more inclusive. And in just the recent years, I agree.
Sophia Magnanini 7:45
Do you guys? Have you guys been doing any programs or such to kind of get more reach where it's kind of showing people that, like this isn't just meant for women, it's for everyone. If you need help, like you can come here. This is a safe space.
Taylor Price 8:00
We've been really lucky my my program specifically to be invited to a lot of different events that center male survivors. Recently, I want to say this was April for National Sexual Assault Awareness Month. But my brain may be confusing. April May we did the accelerating men Summit, where several different nonprofits came together to speak to male survivor hood, and that was really, really amazing to kind of piggyback off what Shelby said. I think there sometimes is a misconception in the community that it's, one, a women's issue, and two, that maybe interact only serves women, which both are not true. You know, this can really happen to anyone, and it does, and that's why it's important that we serve everyone.
Delana Epps-Avery 8:49
I agree. I agree. One of the challenges we have as well, because the Women's Center has the name of the Women's Center is that often students who don't identify as women may not realize that the services that are in the Women's Center are for all students on campus. So we do try to do a good job of making sure that we're being very vocal about that on campus, so that students who would look at that name and would think that it would not include them, know that it's an inclusive space for everyone. And so we want to make sure that everyone knows that the Women's Center is open to provide services for anyone who encounters sexual violence on our campus.
Shelby Klapec 9:25
And I'll piggyback off what Taylor said, it go into the events and stuff. We try to go to different types of events that want to be where you normally think of I, for example, I've done a tabling event at a hurricanes game. We also went to a Durham Bulls game so that getting those people just to see that we're there, just to be able to know,
Sophia Magnanini 9:50
oh yeah, that's great. Like making sure, getting it out to the community, making everyone kind of feel welcome. Delana, is there any kind of, like core program? Or resources that the Women's Center offers like for students that are specific you'd like to talk about?
Delana Epps-Avery 10:05
Yes, absolutely. So we primarily only serve students. If there are staff who encounter any of these issues, then they have a different part of our department that they can go and talk to. Or we also do refer our faculty and staff to interact as well, and so if we encounter faculty a staff that need assistance, we will do a referral to interact. But in our center, we provide advocacy and resource mapping for survivors of interpersonal violence. We we do programming like workshops and educational campaigns, and we have peer educators that are called the movement, that are within our center, and so our peer educators go out and do community building events. We do expressive arts workshops, we do wellness days to promote healing and resilience. We also have a survivor fund that students can access, that they can receive emergency funding for anything that they may have encountered during their incident, and so they may have, like costs for counseling or costs for housing to move for safety, you know, different safety things for their home. So we provide a a survivor fund for that, so that so that students can get the help that they need to be able to move forward. But also we partner with with agencies like interact and other agencies in the community to do larger events like around Domestic Violence Awareness Month and stalking Awareness Month and Sexual Assault Awareness Month, so that we're doing larger campaigns to connect with the community. I think we've done a really good job this year of working together interact and NC State to really promote our events and get folks involved and letting folks know that they're there, because we want to be able to reach into the community as well. NC State is a state university. It is a public university, and so we want to make sure that we're connecting with our greater community as well,right?
Sophia Magnanini 12:00
That's awesome. And for Shelby and Taylor, can you also kind of give a little piggyback off of what Delana say was saying with how interact, collaborates with the Women's Center, and how that kind of how you guys think that broadens the spectrum to the community,
Taylor Price 12:19
absolutely. Well. First of all, if there's any students listening, if you haven't been to an NC State Women's Center event, I want to tell you right now, they are amazing, and I have witnessed some profound testimonies. Had a really fun time just enjoying community. But on the flip side, we as an organization at interact, have been really, really glad to be involved in those events. And so specifically, we always partner without fail. Thankfully for Domestic and Sexual Assault Awareness Month, which occur in October and April every year, we're also involved in a sexual assault response team together within Wake County so that we make sure our services are kind of coordinated, like delaina was saying, they serve students. We can serve students as well, but we also serve the larger community. So when someone may not fit in the student category, but as you know, a part of the NC State family, they can come our way as well. But yeah, those are the big events we always tend to partner with. Though I'm sure we will continue to partner in new ways, maybe in years to come.
Sophia Magnanini 13:29
That's great. And do you guys feel what strengths do you think that both sides kind of bring in this partnership?
Delana Epps-Avery 13:37
Well I think certainly Interact has a lot of history and to bring to the table, but also just great advocates. I think just having them as a community partner has been great for the Women's Center, because we don't, of course, because our center is not confidential, sometimes students are looking for a confidential space for them to be able to share this information and interact stands in the gap when we need that. So I can't even speak enough about how great of a collaboration that we have seemed to be having for over the last year has been really amazing. We've come together for different events. We've been able to share information in a way that we're able to give wraparound services to the students that we serve, but also the students that come into their office from our university to be served. I think just we do a really good job of working together. So I just cannot be happier about the way that we have collaborated over the last year or so, and just look forward to being able to continue this collaboration as we go forward.
Taylor Price 14:41
Well, that is mutual. And, yeah, I think Delana is right. The big way that we step in is we are confidential towards the Women's Center right now, you know, is not a confidential resource. I think both are needed. And so where, you know, a student can navigate, you know what works best for them and where they're going. I feel the most comfortable, and thankfully they have that choice.
Shelby Klapec 15:03
Yes, yeah, I agree with both that, and I definitely say that confidentiality piece is definitely what helps when a lot of times students might think, well, I don't want school to know what's going on, so then, yeah, they can come to us, and then school won't have to know anything.
Delana Epps-Avery 15:19
Yes, but it's also a way for us to be able to ensure that students know that the resources that we provide on campus are still there for them and available for them, whether or not they share the details of what happened with them. There's also ways for them to connect with those resources on campus without breaking their confidentiality as well. So we want to make sure that when we're having those conversations between interact and ourselves, that we are giving students all of the information so that they know that they have choices while they're navigating.
Taylor Price 15:52
Yes, and I think that's really important. I just want to speak to that whenever a student will if they present at the Salas center for an exam, or even just call our crisis line to speak someone in our essay department, they will receive information about the Women's Center, about the NC State Counseling Center, and we navigate confident confidentiality conversation so they know you know their choices and that it is a confidential resource, but there can be, you know, ways in which that they can still be supported from that resource.
Sophia Magnanini 16:24
I feel, yeah, like you said, that's really important for people, especially going through these types of situations, to have that support and trust built, that they know that they're they're going to continue to get this that's really great. But, um, earlier, when we were talking about how a lot of people kind of think that your services are only for women. What are some other kind of common misconceptions do people have about the type of work that you guys do?
Delana Epps-Avery 16:51
So we because of that, we I think that students also the I think the misconception with students also is that we have to they can't come and receive services unless they tell all the information of what has occurred to them. And I think that that is a common misconception that may keep students from seeking services, because they are not sure of how where their information will land. But we want to make sure that students know that there are options for them to receive services where they don't have to disclose you know what happened to them, and that we can seek confidential services for them as well. But we want students to be sure that they know that they can come to the Women's Center to receive at least guidance and advocacy and emotional support going forward to help with their healing. So we do want them to have that information and know that that this is a space for them to come and land safely, so that we can help get them the right resources that they need.
Shelby Klapec 17:53
Definitely agree with that. Another thing I would say is sometimes they think they have to be in the immediate crisis like, you know, it could be something that happened five years ago, and they think, Well, that was five years ago. They're not going to help me now. But no, we're, we're here for any time, because a lot of times things may come back to you five years later that are now causing issues. So you know, our crisis line is not just for crisis. You can call it just for information and just to see what resources are there for you.
Delana Epps-Avery 18:29
Yeah, and particularly with everything in the news right now around sexual assault and all the high profile you know cases that are happening happening right now in the news, we have a lot of folks that have been triggered by receiving that information every day, having to encounter that information every day. So we want to make sure that folks know that it's also a place where you can come and just get emotional support if you're just having a difficult time receiving some of the information that's circulating in the world right now, absolutely
Taylor Price 19:01
one final misconception I want to kind of piggyback off of Shelby, because I think that's a really great thing to highlight our crisis line. You know that word crisis makes it sound like you need to be in an immediate emergency situation, and that obviously can be the case, and we encourage you to call if that is the case, but you absolutely can call just for support, just to be listened to, and you don't have to know what you need. I think that's also a misconception. I've talked to people who you know, relayed that they wanted to call for so long, but they weren't sure what to ask for or what to talk about. We see clients all the time who present in person or on our crisis line that say this is what I experienced, and I don't know what I need, that's okay. There is no pressure. We're here to meet you where you're at, and we can navigate options to see you know maybe what would work best for you. We won't make any decisions for you, because that just wouldn't be productive or helpful. We want you to find what's going to be. Best in healing for you, but you don't have to know what you need. That's okay. I think that's a really fair place to start,
Sophia Magnanini 20:07
and that's just amazing for multiple reasons. And you're you guys are helping these people going through such tough times. And I wanted to ask, what kind of challenges have you guys face doing this type of community based, trauma informed work, and how have you worked through those?
Taylor Price 20:27
I think that there is a the one challenge that anyone in this field, regardless of whether you're in higher ed, you're in direct services and community nonprofits, whether you're you know, in law enforcement, whatever secondary trauma is real, and secondary trauma means, you know, experiencing or hearing the stories of folks you know, and that having an impact. Because if it didn't have an impact, I feel like that would be, you know, maybe a problem. I don't want to be a robot. I want to be a human. So I think that's one of the big challenges in the field that we all face, and unfortunately, it requires you to really do some inner work of like, what's going to support you best to make this sustainable, because we want to be here for survivors long term. And so, you know, that looks so differently for everyone, and it changes over time. So I think that's like the individual thing that we go through, but I think systemically, on an organizational level, we also go through kind of what we spoke to already, where there's some misconceptions in the community, maybe about the services we provide, or who can access those services. And so the biggest thing, I think, is maintaining an open discourse with our community and with our partners, so that we understand their services and they understand ours, and we can make sure everyone's supported in a way that's truly effective.
Delana Epps-Avery 21:51
I agree with that, and I agree with sometimes the misconceptions can keep people from seeking services. I think that that folks need to realize that we're constantly working upstream. We're building community, we're shifting culture, we're educating folks about healthy relationships and consent long before harm occurs, so that that prevention starts early. And I want folks to know that survivors don't only need support one so it's not like a one pony show. It's not like a one stop show. We a survivor, can need support over and over and over again, and I think that's why it's important that institutions like ours and interact still remain, and we still are here to provide those services, because someone can could seek services two years ago and then walk back in the doors, you know, two years later, because they've been triggered again, or because they've entered a new relationship, or because they just don't even have any understanding of of why they're going through an emotional uphill battle again. But we want to be there for folks as they land, and so I think that it's important for us to keep saying that that these places are safe spaces for folks to land, and it may not, we may not have all the answers that you need right then. We may not be able to address all the things right then, but it's a continuous circle of support, and so we will continue to sort of support folks as they need it. Yeah, I
Shelby Klapec 23:20
agree with both of you, and the misconceptions are definitely a big part of the problems, the challenges that we come across, and not just like at that individual level, it's with other organizations as well that are unaware with what we do. So a lot of how we overcome that is going to different meetings and stuff. I go to a community cares collaborative, where it's a whole bunch of organizations from across the county. So then we're able to meet and learn more about each organization. So then everyone's then learning, you know what we are and what we do, as well as whatever else
Sophia Magnanini 24:01
Thats very important, especially right now, and what's going on just in the world in general, that constant support is probably very important for a lot of people, and also to kind of piggyback off of what you're saying. Shelby, what, um, what are some ways that you guys kind of find yourself using to ground or motivate you emotionally, since this is probably a very emotional line of work, and hard on just yourself having to see these people go through these things and so yeah, just wondering what you guys do to kind of me just keep going,
Delana Epps-Avery 24:42
Well, I'm on vacation right now, so the work never stops. So I'm vacation probably about two weeks now, but I still have been working. So because I do want to make sure that I show up when I can and how I can. So I do I take some time off. I have a very here. Healing space in my yard. And during COVID, I think it was my opportunity to build a really healing and safe place for myself at my home. And so I have, like a beautiful space. I call it the oasis in my backyard, and so I do spend time there, but as you can see, I will still show up to support and to educate and to prevent at any opportunity that I get. I've been doing this for a long time, and I think I'm really rooted in making sure that I show up when I can, so that folks know that they're supported. So yeah, I do try to take time for myself and take some time to step away, but this work never stops. This is just the reality of it is that work never stops.
Shelby Klapec 25:44
I say that it's important to find that work life balance that, you know, getting the self, caring you need, and, you know, taking the vacations and having to sometimes do something. I know I had to do that. Our final support group was the week of my vacation, so I was doing the same thing. But then I also know then to take care of myself. And I think every day doing things like especially on days that I'm on the crisis line, I make it a point to go outside and walk at some point in the morning, in the afternoon, I make my hardest to do it, but just doing the little things so it doesn't start weighing Yeah,
Taylor Price 26:28
Shelby, I'm gonna have to start making you, like, drag me on those walks. That sounds lovely. I you know, like I was saying earlier. I think this type of care changes over time. I think moving my body has been the best thing that I've learned. I don't know I hit 25 and was like, Wow, if I work out, I feel better, which is not profound, but it was for me. So that's really helpful. And therapy, therapy is great. So finding what supports you. It might be therapy, it might be movement, it might be something else, and just knowing that that's valid and and seeking that outside of work, because this can be We love this field, obviously delete is here on her vacation, Shelby has worked on her vacation too. We We love what we do, but we've got to make sure that we sustain ourselves, to keep going and make it supportive.
Sophia Magnanini 27:26
That's amazing because, yeah, it's a kind of the balance, like Shelby, you were saying, the work life balance, especially in this field, where it can just be emotionally draining, making making sure that you're always going to be able to be there and support others, which is just, it's heroic, in a way, it really is. You guys do amazing work, just amazing.
Delana Epps-Avery 27:48
Thank you. I have a therapist that's for therapist, so she only does therapy for therapists. So I think that that is amazing to have found her, because being a therapist and getting therapy is very difficult. Um, sometimes because the lines blur a lot, but she's very good at it. So yes, I agree with Taylor. If you can find a great therapist, get you one, because, yeah, this work is hard work. And
Sophia Magnanini 28:12
I did want to kind of jump back a little bit. Elena, you were talking about during COVID, how you had your your backyard. But I was wondering how this line of work kind of, did it jump up a lot during COVID? Or how was that? What did that look like? Yeah,
Delana Epps-Avery 28:30
so, so for me, I don't know if I'm going to say unfortunately, I was, I had taken a break during that time during COVID, so I really can't speak to how the numbers increased or didn't decrease on a university campus, because I wasn't there during that time, I was doing work with youth, with foster youth during COVID, so that was a very different animal. But even with that, I can say I worked with students who were aging out of the foster care system and because of COVID, and folks having to be inside and not being able to participate in normal activities of life, we did see an increase of students of young people and young adults who were entering into some very toxic relationships during that time. So that did rise for us. Even working with foster youth, we saw that that rose. So I can just imagine how that rose in the IPv field, because we were dealing with it with foster youth who were aging out of the foster care system during that time.
Shelby Klapec 29:34
Yes, it definitely increased significantly. I wasn't at interact at the time I was at another domestic violence agency, but our numbers definitely significantly increased. Our shelter was constantly staying full. It was always full anyways, but even the times when we used to have maybe some down times, it was never it was basically one person out, the next person in. But with that has come a lot of change. Changes, and a lot of good changes, and able to people are able to access services a little easier now
Delana Epps-Avery 30:07
and then, I recently have done the data for the for the Women's Center, and so I have looked back on the years of data. And during that time, we did see an increase of our survivor fund, I can say that that the survivor fund increased like tremendously during that time, the need for folks for different things to support them while they were at home. Some folks having to decide to stay in relationships because of COVID made it impossible for folks to move or for people to leave those situation or to enter into shelters during that time. So I did notice that in the data, there were increased student activity in the Women's Center and the survivor son, the survivor fund, significantly increased during that time.
Sophia Magnanini 30:53
That's amazing, just the community kind of because, like you were saying, it is probably a very hard time for people in those situations, especially being having to stay in their house for this long period of time, sometimes with people that they do not feel safe around and they can't get out of that. So that's that's amazing, hearing everyone kind of showing up, but we're kind of ending, heading towards the end, but I wanted to take this time. Do you guys have anything else that you'd like to add? Go on. Talk about any events in the future, or how people can get involved. Yeah, I
Taylor Price 31:27
just want to highlight that our services are free. Our crisis line, 919-828-7740, there's no expectation for someone to call and, you know, be any certain way. We're here for you, and that we're just really thankful to you know, still be out in the community, supporting people who are experiencing both domestic and sexual violence.
Delana Epps-Avery 31:51
And I wanted to say that during this doing this work has really given me the opportunity to think about survivors and students and the community and how we show up for each other. I've learned that resilience doesn't always look loud. Sometimes it's quiet and it's steady. It's just showing up to class. It's asking for help. Is speaking your truth in a whisper. I've also learned that collective healing is real in the community. Creativity and connection can be just as powerful as any other formal service, survivors don't necessarily need to be fixed. They need space to be believed, to be supported and to be seen. I hope that we see more institutions truly centering survivor voices, not just in services, but in decision making. I hope prevention becomes a part of the culture and not just a check box. I want to see more men engaged, more intersectional approaches and more investment in the long term well being of our students and of just folks and our community, but beyond NC State, I hope that we continue to move toward more justice models rooted in care and not just in punishment. I think that there are ways to increase justice for folks, if we are not always looking at it in a punitive way, I hope that we continue to let students get involved through peer education, volunteering, attending events, or just simply stopping by the center. I want to see folks more in our center coming by. It's just not about sexual violence in our center. It's about uplifting folks, about finding community with each other. It's about finding that support and that safe place to be. We have you can we have a coffee bar in our center? We have TV they watch reality TV shows to talk about how feminism shows up in the world, how we show up as people in the world. So there are lots of fun things to do and activities in the Women's Center. And I just want people to see the Women's Center as a place that they can come and just build community. And it is not just centered on crisis or just centered on crisis intervention.
Shelby Klapec 33:58
I agree with everything you just said there, and also something to add on to what Taylor was saying, you know, call us. We're here for you, and you don't have to be the person that's experiencing the violence. If your friend, a family member you know, is experiencing something, and you just want to know more information about it or ways to help them, or to know how to get them to maybe reach out for services. You know, you can call as well. You can come in as well. We're here for everyone.
Sophia Magnanini 34:25
No, that's amazing. I was literally just about to ask what you guys hope the future of this work kind of looks like, and what people do. So that's amazing. And if you guys want to say, where can people learn more, get connected or seek help, if you guys want to shout out, yeah,
Taylor Price 34:40
interactive wake.org is a great website to come visit and just learn about our services. But you can also call our crisis line, 919-828-7740, and we'd be happy to speak with you. I love what Shelby said. We have folks call in just because they want to learn how to best support. The ones they love and what they're going through, that's fine. We're here for you. So if you you know maybe think what you are calling about is silly. It's totally not. We're we're here to process. We're just, we're happy that you're reaching out.
Sophia Magnanini 35:13
That's awesome. As we come up on the end of our chat, I want to thank you guys all again for coming in and meeting with me and just talking about this really important topic that you guys do. Once again, you guys are heroes and deserve all the recognition that you guys get. But yeah, we're gonna end it off. Thank you all for listening to Oak city move. Once again, I'm your host, Sophia Magnani, and if you're interested in listening to this episode again or past episodes of the show. You can go to wknc.org/podcast or make sure to tune into our show every other Monday on WKNC 88.1 FM, HD, one Raleigh. Have a great day.
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